Posts by No Apologies

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Tuesday's CBS Program is Now Online

by fjtoth in

cbs has now posted online what i think is the full program that was shown tuesday night, minus dan rather's comments.

you can watch it by going to the following web page:

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/eveningnews/main3420.shtml

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Gotta disagree with you on this one Dansk. This was a five minute segment on one of the major US television broadcast networks. It was promoted at the opening of the newscast and probably on other spots earlier in the day or week. Millions of viewers saw this very well-done segment. Now its online at CBS, where anyone can refer to it.

Yes, it was only a few minutes. Yes they did not cover all possible angles. But it was another blow to the Watchtower. No one documentary or news item is going to do the job. Every little bit helps, and this was a big step in the right direction. Heidi did a fantastic job, Bill was great. Hopefully the momentum will continue.

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Help! Spouse thinks JW religion the most logical

by bittersweet in

my husband and i were discussing what makes some people become jw's last night.

i was saying that if i hadn't grown up in it, i would have never been drawn to it at all.

i'm not a very spiritual person.

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Bitter,

Ask him why Jehovah gave him nipples!! Can any creationist give me a reason why men have them???????

Seriously, the flood is a basic belief of JWs that is very easy to debunk. Especially some of their earlier teachings regarding it that they have cautiously and slowly backed away from, hoping no one would notice. For example: it never rained before the Flood, all the animals were vegetarian before the Flood, a rainbow had never been seen before the Flood. Go to alt.talk.origins. It has tons of logical information on the Flood.

Then have him research 607. I set out to prove to myself that 607 B.C.E. was the correct date for the destruction of Jerusalem. Guess what I found out????

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The Shifting Sands of Interpretation

by refiners fire in

pondering upon the shifting sands of watchtower interpretation down the years, it is worthwhile to consider just one example of one scripture.

we could look at many scriptures and establish ongoing shift, but here we will look at the ongoing shift of understanding relevant to the scripture at revelation 16 v 3 as an example:

and the second poured out his bowl into the sea, and it became blood as of a dead man, and every living soul died, even the things that were in the sea.

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JG you seem a tad confused. The Watchtower has never identified the UN as the King of the North. Up until recently the King of the North was taught to be the USSR. Since the demise of the Soviet Union, there is some vagueness to who the King of the North now is. The eighth king has nothing to do with the King of the North.

Man I can't believe I can still explain this nonsense.

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Silentlambs to be Interviewed by CBS Evening News

by blondie in

weekend and especially pay attention to the announcements.

also watch the end of.

"60 minutes" as there may be a special announcement there also.. .

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I hate to say this, but I thought the 60 minutes piece on JW's and custody issues was biased, even now. I am not sure what the point of it was supposed to be. The gist of it seemed to be that Jehovah's Witnesses were raising their children to be *gasp* Jehovah's Witnesses. Now I can of course think of several reasons why this may not be a good thing, and of course if the parents are not both witnesses, there will probably be a conflict. But none of this was really brought out very well. It seemed to be automatically assumed that raising children to be JW was some kind of monstrous crime.

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Whats the best internet music file sharing thingy....?

by ScoobySnax in

jw
friends

have been using morpheus for a couple of years now, and hasn't been too bad at all, got about 400 tracks download.

since gettiing aol broadband, the diversity seems to have diminished a bit, either i'm on the wrong dsl provider or morpheus isn't as good as it used to be.

the one i was on previous (can't remember the name now) went totally pearshaped after it got served a writ for using copyrighted material.....anyway, know of any other good music file sharing sites?

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Hilary

Not one person seems to have tackled this issue of why they are not stealing from the ‘greedy peddlars of gas, electricity, motor vehicles etc. etc.

Ok, I'll bite. If I steal your gas or your car, that means I have it and you don't. I can use it however I like, and you have ben deprived of the use of said item. If I copy a mp3 file from someone else's computer to mine, he still has it. I have not deprived him of anything. He is no poorer now than he was before I copied the file. I can make a million copies and it will not affect him in the least.

So how is that stealing?

Also, you seem to assume that without record sales, artists will starve to death or be forced to *gasp* give up their musical aspirations. So how do you explain the fact that music has been popular for centuries without the benefit of music stores. Somehow Beethoven, Brahms, Mozart, etc all managed to write some of the world's greatest music without selling a single album.

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Unbaptized Children Allowed to Say Prayer at the Table?

by GermanXJW in

recently a jw friend of mine was counseled by an elder because he let his children pray at the table.. i remember a co telling that an unbaptized child cannot pray at the table for the whole family.

he stated that after such a prayer a baptized family member has to say another, a valid prayer.. does anyone remember that the wts published anything in writing about that matter?.

not that i care, just wondering...

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A recent QFR discussed the situation of a mealtime where the father is not present, and there is an baptised son present. If the mother did not feel he was capable of saying the prayer, she could do so. My question is, if little Timmy is not capable of saying grace, what the heck is he doing getting baptised????

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Newbie question about the NGO story

by gcc2k in

i've seen the reproductions of evidence in the ngo story.. let's say i was to discuss this matter with a local friendly elder.

i imagine that the following criticisms would ensue:.

1) that is not a real letter sent by the society (saying it was just for a library card, or as the version from portugal said, to gain favor in certain nations).. 2) the reply from the librarian at the un saying that becoming an ngo is not a requirement for a library pass is not real.. my main concern is with the latter.

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I am no bigwig, but I will chime in anyway.

GCC, what others have said is true, all the evidence in the world will not sway someone who wants to believe they have the true religion. You could have Koffi Annan come to their house with the documentation in hand, it would make no difference. They will believe what they want to believe. Logic and reason will not sway them.

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Mindset of JW's these days

by DIM in

jw
friends

my mom in pennsylvania called to wish us a happy anniversary tonight (4 years!

) and used this chance to preach her garbage to me....she knows very well how i feel about everything, but i decided to be civil towards her.

she said how nice it was that inactive people were coming back to the meetings.

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Doesn't she know what a horrible demonic story Lord of the Rings is? I have heard the first and second installments condemned at circuit assemblies as unsuitable for "true" Christians.

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Minnesota: Committee endorses extended time period for child sex abuse laws

by No Apologies in

here's a link to a news article in the minneapolis star tribune.

the printed version mentioned the two women suing the watchtower as also testifying at the hearing.

for some reason they are not mentioned in the online version.

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Here's a link to a news article in the Minneapolis Star Tribune. The printed version mentioned the two women suing the Watchtower as also testifying at the hearing. For some reason they are not mentioned in the online version. But interesting nonetheless.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/468/3783152.html

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I Was Told To "Read Between The Lines"

by minimus in

jw
friends

yesterday, my wife and i got together with my brother and his wife for dinner.

they began talking about how they never thought they'd still be here in this system of things.they complained that the elders were often jerks and unfair.

they talked about how they hoped their disfellowshipped daughter would soon get reinstated.

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Technically, in all Halls its up to the elders what privileges a brother with a beard can have. It just so happens, purely by coincidence you understand, that almost every congregation will not allow a brother with a beard to have any privileges. But it does vary slightly from hall to hall.